1.) "You can wear all the maxi skirts and long-sleeved blouses you want. You can even make an enemy of color. But without the right heart posture, it is all just a front." This is disagreed with.
In the matter of modesty in dress, it's best to wear the maxi dresses first before having the "right heart posture", for the modest heart takes a long while to form...and even at that, it's a constant process till death as it's a fruit of the Holy Ghost. I will like to say more on this but this space isn't the best. What I can say is, I will prefer to see a proud woman in a maxi dress than a humble woman in a mini skirt.
2.) "modesty is not necessarily about clothing. It is not necessarily about anything outward." This statement is disagreed with. It is about clothing. It is the fourth tier of this virtue. The first being a.) humility b.) control of speech c.) decorum (relations with others) d.) decency in dress. It is certainly about dress. How you dress is very integral to the human existence after the fall of Adam and Eve. This is a virtue that sometimes comes from behind, for even though dress is last on this list, the way one dresses influences their behaviour greatly. Therefore dress has an effect on one's mental health. Giuseppe Siri wrote about this in 1960 in Genoa when he was talking about trousers on women.
3.) "Modest fashion has made a comeback. You can hardly scroll two posts on Instagram without being bombarded by a beauty in a maxi skirt". This is also disagreed with.
As a man, I will love to agree with you on this but this is not true at least in my experience. Then again, social media is not a proper yardstick to judge the comeback of something. In real-life away from social media, this is non-existent. In real life, women and men are becoming worse as far as decency in dress is concerned. So I am unsure how you feel Modesty is back.
That's my feedback from all I read. I hope this meets you well and do not take it in a negative way. Just my honest feedback. All in love :)
However, I have a few questions. Please, indulge me.
Did you read this part? “And before anyone rushes to argue that modesty in fashion is a personal preference and not that deep,let me clarify that I am speaking to those who identify as Christians—those who strive to be Christ-like. To be truly modest is to be Christ-like. It is to have a heart that yearns to please Him so deeply that what spills out is speech that edifies, clothing that is unafraid to cover what should be private, and actions that do not seek validation because they already carry ABBA’s stamp of approval.”
And this part: “Did you notice? Modesty, before it is seen, is unseen. Your adorning, before it is outward, should be inward. True modesty is the fruit of our secret walk with God. How modest you truly are is a reflection of your yieldedness to Him. To be modest is to reflect the mannerisms of Christ and, as such, to place more emphasis on the spirit than on the self.”
True modesty starts from the inside and that’s what this post is about. We shouldn’t wash the outside of the cup and ignore the inside which should be the priority, but does that mean we should leave the outside unwashed? It goes without saying that the answer is “No”.
But then again, I think I see where you’re coming from. I’m only making clear that I’m not against modesty in dressing. It’s just not all there is to it. There is more and it’s usually ignored.
As for what has made a comeback or not, that’s an entirely different conversation.
I don't disagree with the whole article. The parts I disagreed with was picked out, 1, 2, 3. That's all. So your response is addressing something else I didn't disagree with.
Then it's left to you to go back to the drawing board, study the matter again and make a rewrite.
If you are teaching it as a Christian piece, a good reference would be Catholic sources. I mean, the Catholic Church have only been teaching modesty for over 2000 years. You would be shocked what you would find.
On the supernatural aspect, you are correct, as per Christian modesty. But hear me out.
I am only adding to what you have said and pointing out that modesty in dress also has natural relevance. That is, without religion the natural inclination of the human person urges him/her to be modest in dress.
In my mind, your write up discouraged or suppressed the natural inclination in the human person to be modest in dress, by insinuating they have to be some spiritual motive to be modest in dress. Dress is what you are talking about and that's what I'm addressing.
If it's Modesty in its entirety (of which i gave 4 tiers) that you were addressing, then definitely it's spiritual and certainly Christian, as humility is part of modesty, and only a true Christian can be modest in its entirety (emphasis on true Christian). But as dress is the focus, you definitely don't need Christ to be modest in dress, the same way you don't need Christ for it to rain. Modesty in dress is a natural inclination. I've seen Satanists dress modestly and preach it. I've seen Atheists and Agnostics dress modestly and preach it. Thousands of years of human existence had humans from all walks of life dressing modestly.
So in making write ups, it's good to address a matter holistically or if not, state clearly what section you are addressing and do it well, because it seemed you intended to address modesty holistically but focused on dress. That's why I'm here. If the focus is on dress you definitely don't need Christ for that, but common sense. So in my experience, most Pentecostals that talk about Modesty in dress, are not really modest when you see them, just by judging with logic. For example your picture shows you on a wig. Now, nobody in the past would have worn a wig, except in the case of disease or inspired by vanity. It was usually vanity as most wig wearers were the wealthy. God has given us hair...it's immodest and vanity to add to it. And common sense tells us this not even Christianity. The Christian Church only reiterate a lot of natural things, but it doesn't mean it directly comes from Christianity but from rightly ordered nature as God has created it.
Therefore, one of causes of an increase in mental illness and the down fall of society is the ignorance of basic natural dispositions humans have. What we used to have and learn from elders and society at large, now only serious study of the basic sciences can help.
Nature is necessary for understanding Christianity and God, that's why we study Philosophy and other speculative and laboratory sciences closely that addresses just nature. Nature is available to all, Christian or not. Faith and Science na 5&6. Thank you
This was a good read. But damn, who thought those pleated skirts would be a must-have for every "stylish" girl
Gurlll! Life did a 180 so quick. Lol
1.) "You can wear all the maxi skirts and long-sleeved blouses you want. You can even make an enemy of color. But without the right heart posture, it is all just a front." This is disagreed with.
In the matter of modesty in dress, it's best to wear the maxi dresses first before having the "right heart posture", for the modest heart takes a long while to form...and even at that, it's a constant process till death as it's a fruit of the Holy Ghost. I will like to say more on this but this space isn't the best. What I can say is, I will prefer to see a proud woman in a maxi dress than a humble woman in a mini skirt.
2.) "modesty is not necessarily about clothing. It is not necessarily about anything outward." This statement is disagreed with. It is about clothing. It is the fourth tier of this virtue. The first being a.) humility b.) control of speech c.) decorum (relations with others) d.) decency in dress. It is certainly about dress. How you dress is very integral to the human existence after the fall of Adam and Eve. This is a virtue that sometimes comes from behind, for even though dress is last on this list, the way one dresses influences their behaviour greatly. Therefore dress has an effect on one's mental health. Giuseppe Siri wrote about this in 1960 in Genoa when he was talking about trousers on women.
3.) "Modest fashion has made a comeback. You can hardly scroll two posts on Instagram without being bombarded by a beauty in a maxi skirt". This is also disagreed with.
As a man, I will love to agree with you on this but this is not true at least in my experience. Then again, social media is not a proper yardstick to judge the comeback of something. In real-life away from social media, this is non-existent. In real life, women and men are becoming worse as far as decency in dress is concerned. So I am unsure how you feel Modesty is back.
That's my feedback from all I read. I hope this meets you well and do not take it in a negative way. Just my honest feedback. All in love :)
Thanks engaging and your feedback is duly noted.
However, I have a few questions. Please, indulge me.
Did you read this part? “And before anyone rushes to argue that modesty in fashion is a personal preference and not that deep,let me clarify that I am speaking to those who identify as Christians—those who strive to be Christ-like. To be truly modest is to be Christ-like. It is to have a heart that yearns to please Him so deeply that what spills out is speech that edifies, clothing that is unafraid to cover what should be private, and actions that do not seek validation because they already carry ABBA’s stamp of approval.”
And this part: “Did you notice? Modesty, before it is seen, is unseen. Your adorning, before it is outward, should be inward. True modesty is the fruit of our secret walk with God. How modest you truly are is a reflection of your yieldedness to Him. To be modest is to reflect the mannerisms of Christ and, as such, to place more emphasis on the spirit than on the self.”
True modesty starts from the inside and that’s what this post is about. We shouldn’t wash the outside of the cup and ignore the inside which should be the priority, but does that mean we should leave the outside unwashed? It goes without saying that the answer is “No”.
But then again, I think I see where you’re coming from. I’m only making clear that I’m not against modesty in dressing. It’s just not all there is to it. There is more and it’s usually ignored.
As for what has made a comeback or not, that’s an entirely different conversation.
Hello 👋🏾
I don't disagree with the whole article. The parts I disagreed with was picked out, 1, 2, 3. That's all. So your response is addressing something else I didn't disagree with.
Thank you.
Points taken. 🙏🏾
But the article is meant to be consumed as a whole and not as disjointed parts.
Then it's left to you to go back to the drawing board, study the matter again and make a rewrite.
If you are teaching it as a Christian piece, a good reference would be Catholic sources. I mean, the Catholic Church have only been teaching modesty for over 2000 years. You would be shocked what you would find.
Thank you 😊
Thanks for the advice but there is no rewrite needed.
Modesty will always be an inner position the informs what flows out.
Wearing covered clothes alone doesn’t make a Christian modest. True modesty flows from the inside and is then seen on the outside.
That’s the heart of this newsletter and it has been communicated well enough.
Thanks for your contributions all the same. 🙏🏾
You are welcome.
On the supernatural aspect, you are correct, as per Christian modesty. But hear me out.
I am only adding to what you have said and pointing out that modesty in dress also has natural relevance. That is, without religion the natural inclination of the human person urges him/her to be modest in dress.
In my mind, your write up discouraged or suppressed the natural inclination in the human person to be modest in dress, by insinuating they have to be some spiritual motive to be modest in dress. Dress is what you are talking about and that's what I'm addressing.
If it's Modesty in its entirety (of which i gave 4 tiers) that you were addressing, then definitely it's spiritual and certainly Christian, as humility is part of modesty, and only a true Christian can be modest in its entirety (emphasis on true Christian). But as dress is the focus, you definitely don't need Christ to be modest in dress, the same way you don't need Christ for it to rain. Modesty in dress is a natural inclination. I've seen Satanists dress modestly and preach it. I've seen Atheists and Agnostics dress modestly and preach it. Thousands of years of human existence had humans from all walks of life dressing modestly.
So in making write ups, it's good to address a matter holistically or if not, state clearly what section you are addressing and do it well, because it seemed you intended to address modesty holistically but focused on dress. That's why I'm here. If the focus is on dress you definitely don't need Christ for that, but common sense. So in my experience, most Pentecostals that talk about Modesty in dress, are not really modest when you see them, just by judging with logic. For example your picture shows you on a wig. Now, nobody in the past would have worn a wig, except in the case of disease or inspired by vanity. It was usually vanity as most wig wearers were the wealthy. God has given us hair...it's immodest and vanity to add to it. And common sense tells us this not even Christianity. The Christian Church only reiterate a lot of natural things, but it doesn't mean it directly comes from Christianity but from rightly ordered nature as God has created it.
Therefore, one of causes of an increase in mental illness and the down fall of society is the ignorance of basic natural dispositions humans have. What we used to have and learn from elders and society at large, now only serious study of the basic sciences can help.
Nature is necessary for understanding Christianity and God, that's why we study Philosophy and other speculative and laboratory sciences closely that addresses just nature. Nature is available to all, Christian or not. Faith and Science na 5&6. Thank you